Bataille Empire

That would be my understanding.

Perhaps a clearer way to state it is to say that there are two distinct phases in the play sequence. First comes units and groups making charge moves. This is followed by resolving the contacts from those charges. The next phase is other moves.
Stating that supporting units may move along with the charge I find may be misleading. The only units that move in the charge and shock resolution phase are those that are in a charge move by a group or are charging by themselves as a single unit charge.

I don't think that covers it.
If I'm reading Herve correctly.
You can move a second group up to support a charge even if only one of those units is actually supporting.

I am 'worried' that might be what he wrote. . If it is, then this would directly contradict what the rules state.

I suspect it might lead to some quite tricky game play too. I can imagine artillery sneaking up to support a charge or units swerving in from different areas in unrealistic coordinated moves.

I'm not sure it contradicts anything and I'm quite sure it is what he wrote.
What is it you think it contradicts?

Charge and shock resolution come before other moves. This is in the play sequence. There is no such thing as a "move to support a charge". Either a single unit charges or a group makes a charge move. These moves are made and any combat is resolved. It may well be that some of a charging group or units that charged and their opponent fled end up in position to support a combat.

The rules state that moves that are not charges come after combat resolution. It is quite clear that non-charge moves come after the combat. You cannot charge with some and make some normal moves with other units and then work out combat.

It says supports move at the same time as the charging units before combat reolution and it would appear that (Herve has clarified this albeit on the French forum) that means a group not part of the charging group can move if one of those units is moving into a support position. Personally I don't see it as been outwith the sequence and have not seen it happen in games I have played and don't really see it as a big problem.
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Jim
As per point c in the sequence as follows
Charges and shocks
The active player indicates all his charges and the non-active player indicates his reactions: hold still, counter-charge, flee, etc. (see Reactions page 46). Charging units and their supports are then moved as well as counter-charging units. Once all the charge and counter-charge movements of the division have been carried out, the shocks are resolved with all their consequences: flee, pursuit, etc.

I do not see any of the wording about supporting units on page 46. Page 43 mentions it for counter charge but that is an entirely different situation.
Page 29 under 'charges and shocks' mentions supports moving but the following paragraph seems to reinforce my point about the sequence on page 28.
Indeed the 'charges and shocks' in the next sentence only states 'charge and counter charge movements'. I can only conclude that the supports mentioned in the previous sentence are other units in the charging group.

Bring back Phil Barker and precise language!

RogerGreenwood a écrit : ↑

jeu. 30 avr. 2020 20:36

Bring back Phil Barker and precise language!

I appreciate the smile. And Barker gave us a lot, but he also made players litigious.

I hear your point. We will get this into an FAQ. But pretty confident, units moving into support can be moved during a charge.

So support units move up during the charge sequence. If they only give morale support then no action marker but if they fire support then they get the action marker
However what if they move up and give morale support and win the combat and the unit they were supporting advanced 1 UD. Can the supporting unit now fire if there is a target as it does not have an action marker?